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>>> right now on andrea mitchell reports, senator majority leader harry reid is expected to speak at any moment now. president obama is back at the white house. his call to congressional leaders seem to have fallen on deaf ears. reid, predicting the country will go over the fiscal cliff and blames it on house speaker john boehner. >> the american people i don't think understand the house of representatives is operating without the house of representatives. it's being operated with a dictatorship of the speaker. john boehner seems to care more about keeping his speakership than about keeping the nation on firm financial footing. >> boehner's office's response? we've done our part. it's the senate democrats fall. but will the speaker call his members back before time runs out? >> at the last moment is the way these things normally happen. i think that can happen again. it just depends on putting egos aside a little bit and putting the best interests of the american people first. >> plus, keeping our kids safe, is arming educators the symptom or adding to the problem. >>> and can any
minority leader mitch mcconnell, but senato harry reid was very involved in all this, and the hold up for the last six some hours this evening, the republican leader, senate minority leader, mitch mcconnell, and the white house had fundamentally come to an agreement on principle, and there was this stall in the talks for the last hours tonight. it was because democratic leader harry reid was refusing to give in on some points that were very important to the democrats. and so he's won some concessions, and that should help make the vice president's sell even easier tonight. you know, there are some people saying, look, don't say we have a deal until you know, everyone signs on inside that room. now, what we know is that there is a deal in principle between reid, mcconnell, and the white house. that is the major hurdle they had to overcome, and it's now all but the selling, and of course, the voting, wolf. >> they have to draft it and put it in a form of legislation. dana bash is our senior congressional correspondent. is there anything else, jessica, you wanted to add before we bring i
that senate majority leader harry reid and minority leader mitch mcconnell will bring to a vote, or put mine to a vote. >> and chrkristen, i did not he about the sequester or the spending cuts that people are talking about in the fiscal cliff, and the debt e creeling that tim geithner said that we would have to raise any day now, and is this the next couple of months in terms of the debate? does the white house have a strategy of dealing with both in the next phase? >> well, they are quite clear that there's probably just too much at this point to put that in this initial package and specifically the debt ceiling, and saying there is no way to address that right now. they know that is the next big hurdle they are going to have to face once they deal with the immediate issue of the tax hikes and spending cuts, so i believe that you are absolutely right. in terms of the strategy f they have one, they have not revealed the details about that quite yet. president obama today, and what i thought was interesting is using the power of the bully pulpit to put pressure on congress to get this basic d
this time. tracy: fiscal clef finger-pointing underway in washington. harry reid says they're headed over the cliff. it is really about senator harry reid and mitch mcconnell? >> to develop the political staring contest democrats say republicans need to move and around rego. the president arrived this morning from hawaii and so with the top democrats and republicans but still no update to report. senate majority leader harry reid said it looks like we're going over a cliff and it is up to the house. >> speaker boner shed call people back to washington today and should not have let them go. they are not here. john boner cared more about his speakership than the financial footing. >> they're now working on a fiscal clear solutions they say the majority leader should talk less and legislate more. also mitch mcconnell says the leader is happy to review with the president what he has in mind but that a majority has not put forward a plan. when they do members will review legislation to make decisions on how fast -- best to proceed. >> it takes time for the house and senate to get something don
, the game seems to be moving to rich mcconnell and harry reid. i think we have some sound bites from mitch mcconnell and harry reid on the senate floor. let ee cease if we can one that now. >> we had a good meeting down at the white house. we're engaged in discussions, the majority leader, the white house, and myself in the hopes that we can come forward as early as sunday and have a recommendation that i can make to my conference and the majority leader can make to his conference. >> i'm going to doering i can. i'm confident senator mcconnell will do the same. but everybody -- whatever everybody comes up with is going to be imperfect. some like it. some like it less, and that's where we are. i have the confidence we're going to do the best we can. that's the message in the white house. we we're going to do the best for the country that's waitinger for us to make a decision. >> clarence, you even seen this movie, right? >> well, yeah. at least in the works on the senate side. on the house side, we still don't know about those hard core intransigents, and even if the senate does come up wit
leader, harry reid, mitch mcconnell, it is up to them to craft this thing. it is out of his hands for the next couple of days and into the hands of people in the senate. adam: rich edson at the white house. i know that you are going to regroup. gerri willis and "the willis report" will stop where we leave off. gerri willis is up next to explain all this for you. have a great weekend, everybody. gerri: hello, everybody, president obama calling on congress just moments ago asking to avoid the fiscal cliff. he said he is moderately optimistic that a deal could be done by december 31. congressional leaders are working on crafting a bill. certainly no grand bargain here that would improve entitlements. if they can't get a deal, the president has told harry reid to put the white house proposals up for an up or down vote. the details just keep on coming out. with us now are two guests. first, we are going to go rich edson. he is here with the very latest. tell us what you made of the president's comments. he was very direct. reporter: he was. and now he passes on to the senate. senate ma
offer was the inclusion of reforms to social security benefits. but after harry reid said he would not entertain a change in the chained cpi, republicans said they had taken that chained cpi off the table. but with pessimism running high, the vice presidents go involved in negotiations. president obama says the inaction of any deal is the result of republican resistance. >> they say their biggest priority is to deal with the deficit in the biggest way. but their only priority is making sure that tax breaks for the wealthiest americans are protected. at some point, i think what's important is that they listen to the american people. >> joining me now, congressman chris von holland of maryland. good evening. it is a good sign that chained cpi is off the table. the senate will be back tomorrow at 11:00. how high is your optimism or pessimism at this moment? >> well, it was a very bad sign when senator mcconnell put this social security change on the table, as part of a small deal, that was obviously something that could have totally thrown a monkey wrench into the process. so the fact
-to-face negotiations. democrats say this is simply a ruse, mitch mcconnell trying to go around harry reid, the democratic leader here and appealing to joe biden, trying to make it look in democratic estimation as if republicans are going the last mile, but, look, we're stuck. we're nowhere at this point. there was a major setback earlier. you mentioned it, the so-called chained cpi. a lot of people tweeted me and said what the heck is that? simply a revised way of adjusting cost of living increases to social security recipients that would in effect lower the growth of those payments, lower the rate of inflation, lower the cost of living increase most times. republicans have evidently put that on the table. that was what really got these negotiations to a standstill. they emerged from their lunch, did republicans, just a few minutes ago, and it's clear it's now off the table. it's a dead letter. unclear whether that's going to help move these along in any way, shape or form. harry reid, before his closed door luncheon, said he was still cautiously optimistic. hard to see from our perspecti
, the president has told harry reid to put the white house proposals up for an up or down vote. the details just keep on coming out. with us now are two guests. first, we are going to go rich edson. he is here with the very latest. tell us what you made of the president's comments. he was very direct. reporter: he was. and now heasses on to the senate. senate majity leader harry reid, senate minority leader mitch mcconnell. they are trying to come up with something that can pass the house and the senate. the president laid out a proposal earlier this evening. at the beginning of this meeting. $250,000 per year. that income would be shielded from tax increases, and now he wants an extension of unemployment insurance. that is something that essentially a nontarter in a republican-controlled house. now he is leaving it up to the two leaders in the u.s. senate try to reach a compromise. something perhaps along the line of what is being negotiated between the speaker and the president a couple of weeks ago. perhaps a tax increase for amounts of more than $400,000 or $500,000 per year. also, senate le
to be their strategy. >> and you heard right there harry reid really laying into republicans saying you guys have not been around. we have nobody to negotiate with. you know, negotiating to come to a compromise. a real interesting plan of attack by harry reid. mitch mcconnell came to the senate flor and said we await to hear from the president regarding any plan that he has moving forward but we're not just going to give a blank check over to democrats because we're on the edge of a fiscal cliff. and harry reid coming down and essentially tearing apart mitch mcconnell saying speaker boehner couldn't pass plan bmpld, you guys haven't done anything. show us where your cards are. what's interesting though is, karen, is what we know about who the house republicans are going to do. they're going to come back at 6:30 p.m. on sunday. eric cantor told them to be prepared to be in session through january 2nd. so remember yesterday we talked about optics, how bad it was for them to look like they weren't going to be in washington, d.c. they no longer have that problem. john boehner, one member who is on th
to this meeting? harry reid was sounding pessimistic early in the day. then john boehner calling the house back sunday evening with a vote scheduled after 6:00 p.m., setting up a late sunday session or a lot of fireworks on monday. guest: the redskins-cowboys game is on sunday night. each side staked out a public position it had to stake out. use it at the end there's a sentence saying, but we will talk or negotiate. nothing unusual here to me. i think right now they are doing what they have to do publicly. we do not know what those people in the room at the white house are going to say and that is the key. host: the speaker will attend this meeting. he said the house has passed legislation to avert the fiscal cliff. now the senate must act. senator reid said it is up to the house. explain what is going on. guest: i cannot read john boehner's mind. let's say the senate takes up something where you extend all the rates for a year but you increase the rates for people making $500,000. let's say that passes the senate. 75 votes. they sent it to the house. are republicans in the house going to be t
. this is after two stop soldiers, mitch mcconnell and harry reid failed to make much progress through tonight and this morning. harry reid went home earlier this yeeng and biden and mcconnell were taking point on the negotiations. they worked out a deal couple years ago for unemployment insurance that cut the social security tax. they 6 worked together before and they have succeeded reaching a deal before and folks on capitol hill they can do so again. >> less than 26 hours from what everyone calls a fiscal cliff. it would be comprehensive big package we hear them talk about, the big compromise that speaker boen and the president had worked out a year and a half ago? >> if you want what is known a as the grand bargain you would likely get in two steps. a small down payment, a tax rate increase and some of the spending measures and some of the other tax measures and perhaps instructions for the next six to eight months to congress to work on entitlement and spending reform and broader tax reform package. but all those specific details when you talk about entitlements and spending on the bigger
doors, but the senate majority leader harry reid a short time ago going home and basically saying that he will be back in the senate until tomorrow at 11 a.m., suggests that we're edging closer and closer to that cliff, but what the president did today. as he did something rare, he went on the sunday talk show for the first time in three years, went on nbc's meet the press and the last time he did one of the shows was promote health care reform today and try and back republicans back into a corner and suggested that maybe he's starting to play the blame game and saying if we go off the cliff it's going to be republicans fault. take a listen to what he had to say. >> not because democrats and congress don't want to go ahead and cooperate, but because i think it's been very hard for speaker boehner and republican leader mcconnell to accept the fact that taxes on the wealthiest americans should go up a little bit and as part of an overall deficit reduction package. if folks can't say yes to good offers, then i also have an obligation to the american people to make sure that the entir
, basically flipping the lights back on and harry reid taking to the floor to eviscerate speaker boehner. >> the sad part is you often seen the floor opened that way. mitch mcconnell being later today. i'm sure we'll hear something later. to hear it two days after christmas and a matter of days before we go through the fiscal cliff, obviously not encouraging. harry reid says time is running hout. he doesn't know if they could go through the legislative hurdles. if they have the votes around here, they can legislate the sky is green and the grass is blue. that's not an issue. what harry reid is really saying is mitch mcconnell, get on board, don't try to filibuster. of course they're talking about a bill that had raise capital on couples making more than $250,000 a year, and do a few other nuts and bolts that are deemed the bare minimum that the president wants to see done before we hit january 1st. i've got to tell you, though, getting back to the votes, the votes simply aren't there in the house of representatives for that. they're likely not even there in the senate, so we're back at s
to not getting anything done. senate majority leader harry reid had this to say on the senate floor yesterday. >> months and months of talks between the president and boehner, both times boehner could not deliver because they refuse because of grover norquist to allow any tax revenues whatsoever. they cannot cross over the threshold that has been built by grover norquist. >> grover norquist joins us now exclusively here on cnbc. grover, we just heard you are the target of those comments, but did harry reid get it wrong, because i thought that your organization actually gave its blessing to boehner's plan "b." >> reid has it wrong on a number of levels. the first, of course, is that the pledge that many congressmen and senators have made to oppose tax increases is made to the people of their state, not to me. in fact, harry reid now has the republican senator joining him from nevada who won because he made that commitment. he took the pledge, and the democrat that harry reid supported attacked him for taking the pledge, and the people of nevada said we want a senator who will stand with us aga
harry reid's comments sent the dow into a tailspin. we have complete coverage in this developing story which is happening tonight as we speak. also, as supplies from the obama team, ep achieve lisa jackson stepping down. can the coal companies finally breathe a sigh of relief? guess what happened in britain when the uk banned handguns. the surprising result that could change the gun control debate. "the kudlow report" start ises right now. >>> the big news tonight, still the developments in washington on the fiscal cliff, eamon javers joins us with the details. >> good evening, meshel. capitol hill sources tell cnbc that congressional leaders are planning to go to the white house tomorrow to meet with president barack obama and it is not entirely clear at this point when that meeting will take place and details are still being hammered out and we saw today a blistering series of rhetorical jabs from one side to the other and it's not clear as a result of all that whether a deal can, in fact, get hammered out in the remaining time before new year's eve and take a listen to senate republ
there was earlier in the day. mitch mcconnell and harry reid say they're going to come out and try to hammer out a bipartisan deal that can pass the senate with enough republican votes to convince the house to act and even president obama who had been concerned that they were not going to act and challenging them for an up and down vote said he was optimistic. here's the president after that meeting. >> i just had a good and constructive discussion at the white house with senate and house leadership about how to prevent this tax hike on the middle class and i'm optimistic we may still be able to reach an agreement that can pass both houses in time. >> now what would be in that mini deal? we're talking about tax increases for people at near the top of the income scale. the question is the threshold, 400 or $500,000 are the likely places that that could end up. it would likely turn off the automatic sequester by using some of the revenue from the tax increases to account as budget cuts and turn off they is quester and it would also extend unemployment benefits and do the so-called doc fix to preve
the final push in congress to try to avert the fiscal cliff. >> it's interesting. harry reid told us they are making progress in the talks. at this stage they don't have a deal. what you heard senator thune, republicans are saying if we give you more revenue what will you going to do with it? are you going to pay down the deficit? if you are going to use it for more government spending we don't want a part of it. senator mcconnell on the republican side seemed to get frustrated because he felt like the democrats were slow walking the th, 18 hours without a response. mcconnell made a call to a well known senator, joe biden to see if he could help. >> we're willing to work with whoever can help. no single issue remains an impossible sticking point. a sticking point appears to be a willingness and interest or frankly the courage to close the deal. >> reporter: as senate aide says it was designed to try to jumpstart the talks and consequences of getting a tax increase is a huge concern. >> gregg: what went awry in these talks? >> you heard senator thune. a fiscal cliff deal is a new way
with the speaker and mix mcconnel and harry reid to see if they can avoid going off the fiscal curb on january 1st. today harry reid emphasized that there is ome one reason why they are unable to reach an agreement so far. >> this has been going on for years. they cannot cross over the threshold. people are not propose iing mak the taxes like them. john boehner could not even pass the tax proposal he passed over there. he said no, can't do that. didn't he bring it up for a vote? >> tonight, speaker boehner's office put out this statement. >> joining me now are our guests. clearly the positioning game continues. harry reid saying we did our job months ago. do you think we til would be@posturing stage at the end of that white house meeting tomorrow? >> in your introduction you made the fundamental point here which is that this agreement before the end of the year, simply cannot go forward unless john by nor is willing to let it do so with majority democrats in the house. if we go over the curve as you put it, they can vote for a large tax decrease becaused off of the new rates that would be reset. t
this from sources earlier. the senate majority leader, harry reid went to the senate floor and talked about the snag. list ton what he said. >> the one thing i do want to mention is that we're not going to have any social security cuts at this stage, that doesn't seem appropriate. we're open to just discussion about entitlement reforms, but we're going to have to take it in a different direction, the present status will not work. we're willing to make concessions as part of a balanced comprehensive agreement. but will not agree to cut social security. with 36 hours left until the country goes over the cliff, i remain hopeful, but realistic about the prospect of reaching a bipartisan agreement. at some point in the negotiating progress, it becomes obvious when the other side is intentionally demanding concessions they know the other side is not willing to make. we are not there, mr. president. >> right now, talks are at a standstill, they haven't been going on all day. but as we speak, you're looking at the senate floor, it's pretty empty, republicans and democrats are going into their own m
, including that man, harry reid, the majority leader of the senate. we've been getting mixed signals. the biggest signal we got was regarding the house which is coming back to -- reconvening sunday night, and that brought the market back in a big way, but now we're hearing from mitch mcconnell and let's bring in eamon javers there on capitol hill, i mean, the rumor had been, a lot of traders talking here, eamon, that maybe there's a dell brewing between the president and the senate. that doesn't sound like anything is going on right now according to rich mcconnell. >> what we got was a facebook post from scott brown who said he was come back to washington and jumping on an airplane to review some new proposal from the president that they expected to get. the whole afternoon has been spent by reporters trying -- trying to figure out what was going on. now harry vaed responding to mcconnell so let's right to it. >> he's upset because, quote, the phone never rang. he complains i've not delivered solutions to the fiscal cliff. he's in error. we all know that in july of this year we passe
leader harry reid has joined her in making comments back at capitol hill. we'll let you know what they say as soon as that is transmitted to us. there are other directed comments they made little progress something they have been saying after the meetings the last few months. adam? >> we're looking to turn around reid's comments so we all can hear them. when you talk about the president he is up-or-down vote, someone referred to this as plan-c. is this the offer you reported on a while back where he would move the bottom line tax increase to 400,000 for the upper incomes as opposed to 250,000? is that on the table. >> we don't know if that is the specifically the offer on the table. it started at president's opening offer 250. you could see a pathway forward to raise the threshold up to 400, $500,000 a year, any amounts below that don't get tax increase. any amounts above that get tax increase. end of the year fixes preventing medicare doctors getting large pay cut. amt fix, prevents millions of americans paying the amt reform kick that to next year. that is sort of the path aides
the democrats. people wonder why we operate on government by deadline. because harry reid has made the cynical, cynical move of not passing a budget through the united states senate over the past several years. it's deeply cynical because the budget shows what your priorities are. harry reid doesn't want the american people to know what the senate democrats' priorities are, so they just don't pass budgets. now, what usually happens is, you have a budget every year. the senate passes their budget. the house passes their budget. they go to conference. we all saw -- we all saw i'm just a bill, yes, i'm only a bill. i'm living here on capitol hill. harry reid, obviously -- he was doing a chicken fight or something while that was going on. he missed that. the senate has been negligent for the past several years. and that's why we have this government by deadline because democrats in the senate will not pass a budget. >> the problem with government by deadline, two things. one, as we saw yesterday, the republicans were the ones who put themselves in a position where if you didn't move forward, they
connell is at the capitol and assuming he's in contact with harry reid and their staffs are going back and forth. the question has been every single day we've been into these negotiations. what is the threshold that republicans are willing to take to avert the fiscal cliff. there's their 400,000. so everyone who makes $400,000 their taxes would stay the same. would that be acceptable. if there is no deal to be reached we do know that harry reid will try to move forward on monday with the bill for those making $250,000 or below. so that's what we need to see how it will work there. there are types of sweeteners they can do. mitch mcconnell is a tough place and this is the underreported part of the story. he has to figure out a deal that gets through the senate and doesn't make john boehner look too bad in the house and there are a lot of conservatives in the house that don't want to do any type of deal that would raise taxes on anybody even though they'll go up on the entire country the first tax hike in 20 years after monday night. >> and one would also assume that mitch mcconnell would have to
's court. harry reid tossed it right back. are we looking at another lost day in the negotiations? hitching a right on air force one, the new senator from hawaii and it's not what we expected it to be. here we go again. the president in washington and another deadline. secretary geithner warns we will hit the debt ceiling even before we tumble over the fiscal cliff. good morning from washington. it is thursday, december 27th. this is "the daily rundown." i'm luke russert. two days after christmas and washington is back to work trying to harsh out a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. the senate will get back from the session after holiday break. the president is expected to arrive back to the white house without his family to get back to twork mework to meet the loo deadline. mike is at the white house. let's start with you. the consensus around the hill is that we are more likely than not to go over the fiscal cliff, but there is a small chance harry reid could take a house pass bill and amend it and send it back over to the house. what are you hear being that? >> conceivably, but when the pre
" tonight. brace for impact. senate majority leader harry reid says it looks like we'll head over the fiscal cliff. with just four days until the deadline can president obama and congress still pull out a deal in the nick of time? senator john hoeven of north dakota joins us to respond. >>> plus, a game-changer for the insurance industry. an auto insurer unveils new policies that charge by the mile, giving a big potential boon to drivers. can it drive the competition off the road? the ceo of metro mile is here to take the wheel. >>> and big beer companies putting beer goggles on their customers. the market for kraft beer is booming and big labels are battling to get a foothold but they may be using crafty tactics to sell you the same flat brew in different packaging. less filling tastes great. even when they say it's not it is always about money adam: before we serve you that beer let's look at the day's market headlines. stocks fell for their fourth straight session. that dour outlook on the fiscal cliff from senator harry reid sent stocks tumbling but they came off the session lows followi
the president what s your plan, senator harry reid are you going pass a budget. i really do believe that the president and the democrats really have no intention and as a result have no plan to limit the rate of growth in government and no plan to save social security and medicare and we need to start putting political pressure on them to show the american people a plan. the house passed two budgets since i have been here. they both include some proposal to save medicare. the democrats have not done that and this is really where we start turning the messaging on them and start demanding. i think the american people have a right to know, president obama are you going so solve the 92% or 93% of the deficit. what is it that you talked about on the campaign trail? >> sean: how can you help me he out or help the american people out. they don't know what taxes will be in a couple of days and now we are counting the hours. how is it possible the u.s. senate does not pass a spending bill which constitutionally they are supposed to pass in over three years, over 13 hyundais and then elect th
assume harry reid is here and their staffs are going back and forth. i spoke to one aide who said don't expect for any details to leak tonight. they'll be closed-lipped about this because the idea if anything does leak out it gives more of an opportunity for folks on either party to kill a deal if they don't like what they hear. some sort of a agreement will be announced tomorrow when the house is back in session and the senate is back in session and they can go back to say hey, this is the best opportunity. as far as the likelihood of this kraig, things have not been going well and there's optimism here and there and things are fluid like kristen says and it will be the final deal, but what we do know is these folks on capitol hill are very mindful of the damage that can be done to the economy if nothing is brief. we've had five down days in the stock market and we're preparing the country on tuesday for the first tax increase in 20 years, and i think finally at the end, that's starting to resonate at least with some of the elder members of both sides hence why we're even here on a s
and listen to what senate majority leader harry reid is saying. >> we really are running out of time. americans are still threatened with a tax hike. in just a few hours. i hope we can keep in mind and i know we will our single most important goal is to protect middle class families. whether or not we reach an agreement and the short time we have left we'll need cooperation on both sides to prevent taxes from going up tomorrow for every family in america. i repeat there is still some issues that need to be resolved before we can bring the legislation to the floor. >> under the previous order then the senate will proceed to business until 12:00 noon. this is for debate only. senators are permitted to speak -- >> there you go. the senate floor. we are listening to them as senate majority harry reid opened it up for today after they called it a day yesterday. joining us now is congressman steny hoyer, the house minority whip. thanks for being with us. i appreciate your time. you listened to our report from mike viqueira. you just heard senate majority harry reid. he spoke. from what you
on the senate side. >> that's right. senate majority leader harry reid said we should talk to vice president biden and mitch mcconnell. earlier republicans suggested changing the way inflation is calculated on changes like social security read offered this reaction late in the day. >> i was really grass fied to hear republicans taking command by social security set off the table. this should never have been on the table to begin with. there is still significant difference between the two sides negotiations continue. still time left to reach an agreement. >> meanwhile west virginia democrat joe mansion introduced the calm act trying to soften the blow as the country goes off the fiscal cliff. it would maphase in tax hikes or the years and prioritize spending cuts. he says he's frustrated and tried to do something. >> it was crossing the wires it's more than frustration it sounds like desperation at this point as they are losing hope. the chained cpi the social security adjustment you were talking about basically changes the way they configure the cost of living and would make those benefits s
obama, john boehner, nancy pelosi and harry reid, many mitch -- mitch mcconnell all in one room. danielle nottingham tells us it maybe the last chance to get any kind of agreement to avoid that fiscal cliff. >> reporter: president obama is meeting today at the white house with top congressional democrats harry reid and nancy pelosi and leading republicans mitch mcconnell and john boehner. it's the president's first meeting with congressional leaders since november 16th. the closed door discussions are an attempt to reach a last minute agreement to avoid automatic spending cuts and tax increases due to kick in january 1st. >> probably the worst case scenario will come out of this meeting today and that is we will kick the can down the road. >> reporter: senator bob courter told cbs this morning he predicts the meeting will bring only a temporary solution. >> this afternoon's meeting feels much to me like optics to make it look like we're doing something. let me just say one more time this is a total dereliction of duty at every level. >> reporter: going over the cliff would af
it as discordant remarks based on the fact harry reid and mitch mcconnell were working at it and continue to do so with their top staff and the representatives as well. where are we? i have been told there's movement from both sides that is considered constructive. it's not something they are ready to bring forward. we won't get incredible details until members get briefed. when you look at what's happening inside the room things like what threshold should taxes become higher or unemployment benefits or other taxes, all the variables. they have to decide and gauge will their membership also agree. it's a really important two-step. to give you a sense of how members are preparing themselves for what may come, here is lindsey graham who was on television earlier this morning. >> exceedingly good. i think people don't want to go over the cliff. i think what have we accomplished, political victory to the president. hats off to him. he's going to get tax rate increases, maybe not at 250, but upper rate americans. we accomplished little in not become greece. this won't affect the debt situation. it will
've yet to receive a response to our good faith offer. >> democratic leader harry reid said the gulf over taxes was still too wide, and he indicated the white house might be tying his hands. >> i've had a number of conversations with the president, and at this stage, we're not able to make a counteroffer. >> reporter: so senator mcconnell called the vice president, who he served with in the senate for 24 years. the two men spoke several times sunday. >> i want everyone to know i'm willing to get this done, but i need a dance partner. >> reporter: democrats want to let the bush-era tax cuts expire for all household incomes over $250,000 a year. republicans would rather set the cutoff at around $500,000 or keep the tax cuts in place for everyone. the two sides are also at odds over the estate tax rate which currently stands at 35% but is set to revert to 55%. even if senate leaders do strike a deal and pass a bill today, it would still need to go up for a vote in the house, but at this point, many members are just hoping their leaders can come up with something if only
as they can, even if it means going over the fiscal cliff. so if harry reid and mr. mcconnell can't come up with something, then you've got barack obama's proposal. >> joy, even before it gets to the house republicans, there are plenty of republicans in the senate who can mess this up, right? even if mcconnell and reid have a deal, there's no guarantee that there isn't a single tea party-backed senator. >> well, i mean, at the end of the day, look, mitch mcconnell is a much better leader of his caucus. and mcconnell has really controlled the leaders. the fact that he's meeting with harry reid means there probably isn't going to be a filibuster. i'll find that very surprising. the problem is that never have we seen, not in my lifetime, a weaker speaker of the house of representative than john boehner. john boehner has essentially thrown up his hands and walked away from this process. he's walked away from the constitutional mandate that senate and tax bills come from the house, not the senate. and he's said you guys pass something. they were going to pass something. it's the house that's the
connell and harry reid. clearly the personal animosity got to be too much for those two to continue negotiating. clearly the president was happy with biden being a part of this final push here. if the reports are right, he is coming up to sell the deal to him. a lot of whom have expressed reservations about him. >> now, let's get reaction from the senate side. senator tom coburn as always sir, if we are going to throw over the see quester, i get that, but the thing that bothers me the most. if we are going to substitute tax revenues instead, i think that leads us down the wrong road. i agree. look, cutting $1.2 trillion over the next ten years was hard one to battle hard for the country to go through. what is being proposed now is $600 billion in tax increased with about a fifth of it to be spent to buy down things. with $480 billion to decrease the deficit. we had our choice we wouldn't be doing it that way. the government is too big and in effective we could take most of the money by decreasing spending. the 11th hour and there are a lot of people who shouldn't be having tax increases if we d
: after weighing 18 hours from senate majority leader harry reid who seemed to throw in the towel. >> there is still significant difference between two sides and negotiations continue. there is still time left to reach an agreement and we intend to continue negotiations. >> reporter: a big issue is what thresh do you continue the bush tax cuts. the democrats latest proposal, extend expiring tax rates for individuals with taxable income up to $360,000. and couples with income of about $450,000. senate republicans latest proposal allah taxes to rise on $450,000 for individuals and 550,000 for couples. republican aides say the democrats in the senate have not made any additional offers since saturday afternoon. gregg: what is going on the house side of the capitol? >> reporter: the attitude they have been doing their work all year long. they have been passing multiple bills throughout the course of 2012 and they feel like it is now time for the senate to act. here is a sample of the house republican view. >> we'll see what the senate brings back. ball's in their court. they have had
able to make it happen. harry reid gave us problem or lack thereof. >> there are two sides still apart, and negotiations are continuing as i speak. there's still more before we can bring ledges laying to the floor. what else is new? can anyone save this congress from itself? turns out the new man responsible is vice president joe biden. yep. that's right. joe biden is the latest person to be called on to try to get congress out of the straight jacket they've put themselves in. the vp and senate minority leader mitch mcconnell exchanged phone calls until midnight last night and again this morning, and appeared to be zeroing in on a tax rate compromise in the region of a $450,000 to $550,000 threshold. a higher rate than the president's earlier compromise as well as an agreement on the estate tax. sticking points remain. president obama seemed resigned to going over the cliff. >> if all else fails, if republicans do, in fact, decide to block it so that taxes on middle class families do, in fact, go up on january 1st, then on january 4th the first bill to be introduced on the floor will b
:00 a.m. yesterday, senate leader harry reid said he didn't think the fiscal cliff could be avoided. as you can see, stocks plunged. shortly after noon, senator scott brown posted on facebook of all things that he was headed back to washington because the president had reached out to the gop leadership with a proposal. then the markets bounced up a bit. but then cnbc's john harwood tweeted the white house denied skost brown's post and markets dropped again. thanks, john, for that. then came a late day surge on news that speaker boehner called the house back to washington, and late today we learned that the white house is holding a conference call with ceos on the status of the fiscal cliff negotiations. so maybe things will change once more again tomorrow. joining me now to discuss the business ramifications and what the markets think of all this, the editor of thegrio.com and msnbc contributor joy reid. >> hey, richard. >> hi, joy. do we also have fortune magazine's assistant, yes, excellent, managing editor, leigh gallagher. thanks for joining us, too. wall street seems to have be
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